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Re: Verizon Rant.

Postby Toddah on Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:57 am

Hey Tim,
I do not use verizon but my wife just got a new cingular/ATT phone to replace her PocketPC and when she did that she dropped text and internet access from her plan. I tried to text her and it never went thru then I tried texting from her phone to troubleshoot and it would not send saying network was not available. I looked and found she had removed text as a service and after reinstating thru the wireless site it then worked.
I made the assumption other phone services would allow this also. I find if I manage my own account on the ATTwireless site I can do things that the people in the stores or on the phone will not allow me to do.
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Re: Verizon Rant.

Postby Slakker on Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:29 pm

Toddah wrote:Darb,
You did agree to the daily prorating correct?


I think the point of his entire post was that it was never stated by verizon that the prorating was how it was going to be handled. If I understand correctly, he was under the impression that the upgrade to 5000 texts would have applied to the entirety of the current billing period.
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Re: Verizon Rant.

Postby Cow086 on Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:54 am

i find this whole thread very interesting.

in one of the posts you said that the last message was some time during what i would call the "School day" I believe that 1/11 was a fri. and if the last text message is in the afternoon that would more than likely place her in a classroom at that time. Right? Please correct me if im wrong (as i have not been in high school for a few years) but is she allowed to use or for that matter have her cell phone on her in class. Maybe we should be looking in to weather or not all these text messages are being done while she is in class. Form what i remember form high school is that i was there to learn. And passing notes was frowned upon. I guess you know have to write notes anymore and pass them for the teacher to read to the class anymore. Just text your friend. Hell you dont even have to have the same class anymore. Hurry for technology. Now i dont want to blame the school cuase obviously if they wanted to stop it they would have to take all cell phones at the door and return them at the end of the day. And as haveing some friends as teachers the teacher have enough other things going on that they cant police the cell phone rules. Or they wouldnt have any student to teach cause they would all be in the princples office or something.

The only question i have is if they are getting away with text messages during class what about tests are they all texting during the test too? How are her grades? Probably fine or even better now that she has the phone cause she can get the answers form some one else. But is she learning any thing in school.

Now i dont want to sound like im insulting anyones children by saying they arent smart or anything but if you are doing that many text messages during the school day how much are you paying attetion to the teacher?

but class is boring mom... all the other kids are doing it too... i wont be cool if i dont have a phone... i promise i will get better grades if i have a cell phone... any of this sound familiar????

sometimes it takes a "kid" to tell the parents whats really going on before they relize it. High school wasnt that long ago for me...

Paul

Ps sorry for the long post i meant to only say a little and just kept typing. I guess im gald i was doing this post on a computer and not my phone. My thumbs would hurt.

Stats on my text messages.

had a cell for 6 years
5 text message recieved
0 text messages sent.

in fact i dont even know how to text someone.

if you think i lying i can show you all my phone bills
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Re: Verizon Rant.

Postby Darb on Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:49 pm

Yeah, the topic has shifted from my original post. Which is fine. I also think this is pretty interesting. I guess texting is the cb radio or walkie-talkie of the day.

Since I originally posted this I've checked into a few things and I've been chatting with some of the other parents. And, yes, sanctions have been put in place.

I'm able to go online and see the transaction details (not content) of calls/messages.

Part of the deal with the enormous volume of text messages is texting to multiple people simultneously. Essentially doing a "reply-all" type of thing. If you divide it out that way you go from a number that's basically impossible to one that's only completely insane. Also, when I check her phone it's miles of mundane tiny transactions each followed with a response of "k" (as in OK). Teens apparently have difficulty grasping the concept of making the most of a limited resource. I would use more words because it costs the same. ;)

The second part is that to be doing that volume I figured she must have been texting during class. She gets messages into her phone during class but not outbound. Typically these are from people in different schools. This statement is not absolute, there are exceptions in each direction, but pretty minimal. The school has pretty harsh consequences for even letting the phone ring (disruption). Texting during class is a significant violation, but sometimes the teachers give them a few minutes of free-time at the end of a class (or so I'm told). Between classes there is a flurry of activity.

As for grades, school has always been easy for her. So really nothing noticeable there, still consistently good grades.

There must be others on MARS with teenagers. Anyone else have any family text conflicts? Our friends with kids this age are all having this same discussion. They are from different towns and social groups, so I'm guessing this is widespread. The record is one of my friends 17 year old daughters with over 6000 messages in one month. How is that possible? No idea.

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Re: Verizon Rant.

Postby Toddah on Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:34 pm

Hey Brad,
I think it even more widespread than you think, it's not just teenagers it's young employees also. We hired a programmer and he is about 25 or so and he is constantly on his cell texting or talking. we did a survey among departments and this is an issue with 60% of our managers with employees under 25. Our programmer has had 2 sitdowns already over this exact issue and he simply does not see it to be an issue. I have personally been in a meeting where we were discussing database design criteria and he will take text messages and answer them back while you are sitting face to face trying to talk to him. I may be old school but to me this unacceptable. We use texting for emergency notifications and my servers will text me with outage or critical event information but I can still be courtious and excuse myself if it is an emergency or ignore if not.
If this "habit" is established when in HS how will you break yourself of it when you move into the real world where you are expected to pay attention to people when they are meeting with you.
I send and receive between 50 and 100 text msgs a month and I love the asyncronis nature of texting but just like cell phone calls there should be a time and place and you should know the difference.
I think this is a mobile extension of instant messanger. I think many parents started ignoring this text communication as "just something the kids do" and now they are so far behind the times they don't have a clue what it all means.
I applaud you for at least checking on the times and seeing if it was getting to be a problem with her school work .
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Re: Verizon Rant.

Postby BraenDead on Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:54 pm

I'm just throwing this comment out there... I must be one of those old school people because at 27 years old I've sent two text messages in the 10-11 years of owning a cell phone. I do receive a lot of text messages (server issues, all office voice mail is texted to my cell) but this is all I really use it for. Seems easier to just talk to me, unless you are in a bar/concert or someplace that is hard to hear.

Just my thoughts, I'm officially one of "those old people".

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Re: Verizon Rant.

Postby OceanNwisconsin on Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:21 pm

ok...... im ready to be flamed!!!


i love text messaging... i think its the greatest since sliced bread!!

i have unlimited plan.. and if your worried about your kid going over then just buy the unlimited plan. its 10 bucks and you have ease of mind of not having to pay for "accidents" later. however you get your bill every month and can see when and who and how many messages are sent... obviously 1200 msgs sent during school hours isnt appropiate at least not by my standards.
I have a teenage stepdaughter and she lost her phone priviledges by going over her minutes 2 months in a row thats it no phone from us again ... now her dad got her a new phone but thats a different topic all together..

I do agree you have to moniter your kids, but you also have to realize that they are kids. if your going to give them the responsibilty of a cell phone then you have to be prepared for the consequences your self. However the more recent parenting problems we've encounterd is how do you try to teach your kids how to act when there friends parents let there kids get away with the unimaginable?....
I use text at work alot because i cant sit on the phone and talk. i also use it while at the store getting grocerys, at the bank, and sometimes just to remind my wife i love her.
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Re: Verizon Rant.

Postby Toddah on Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:50 pm

So Ocean,
Are you using the text to conduct business or to conduct personal "business" while you are at work?
No Judgement just curious.
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Re: Verizon Rant.

Postby Toddah on Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:02 pm

This is also becoming a legal issue for those of us that are charged with records retention laws. between Instant messenger, texting and personal webmail accounts it is nearly impossible to actually retain the records that the courts require for Open records laws and business records required by law.
If anytime I want to avoid open records or legal discovery I simply switch to texting or public IM servers and I am invisible so far as the legal discovery process goes.
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Re: Verizon Rant.

Postby Slakker on Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:20 pm

I believe service providers retain records of all text message content sent/received for a certain period of time, and I know for a fact that instant message transmissions can be recovered from computers for quite a while. Certainly not as easy as tracking company e-mails or hardcopy memos, but I wouldn't say "invisible."

I mean...it's not likely that anyone will go to such lengths over anything minor, but it's totally possible.
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Re: Verizon Rant.

Postby Toddah on Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:34 pm

In the past AOL and Yahoo retain for 90 days but IM is not retained at all.at least thats what they tell our detectives when they try to get email and IM records. Generally by the time police get around to working thru the case backlog and things get to court and a discovery order is issued it's way to late to get anything. It may be different if you are the FBI or NSA but my experience in the past 5 years or so assisting PD's with child porn investigations it has been like I said.
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Re: Verizon Rant.

Postby Slakker on Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:04 pm

You would have to retrieve the IM records directly off of the computer in question rather than trying to get them from AOL/Yahoo's service providers. In most circumstances conversations are stored in temporary files within a user's filesystem rather than server side.

However, I could be mistaken as far as recoverability for the purpose of investigations and the tools that you have at your disposal.
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Re: Verizon Rant.

Postby OceanNwisconsin on Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:41 am

i use text at work for personal reasons... then again i can pretty much do anything at work...
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Re: Verizon Rant.

Postby Toddah on Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:20 am

I want your JOB!!!!!!!
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Re: Verizon Rant.

Postby DDD33 on Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:06 pm

Wow, did I open this can-of-worms by breaking down the time in between texts. I was just blown away by the amount of calls/the time frame. I wasn't aware that the incoming calls count, reply to all, etc. That helps explain it a bit. I was glad to see you had done your homework on time of use etc. I have two children ages 3 and 6, and my oldest got a Nintendo DS for Christmas so we are heading down the road of electronics. I can only imagine what I will be dealing with (over on their teleportation limit???). I would agree with most of the sentiment that we owe it to are children to make them responsible for their actions, bottom line, because this isn't the message that politicians (both sides), and media portray. We have become a victim/entitlement society so the message on responsibility needs to come from home.
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